Science of Water and Prill water

Hello All, I became a member here not so long ago but this is my first posting to the group. I have been following the discussions for the past few weeks very keenly. I have two bags of Prill beads from Twilight received through a friend in the US (I live in Denmark) and will make my first batch of Prill water tomorrow. I have been compiling a list of questions but will wait until I have tested my water and will be back then with these. Bye for now, Ole

Hi again, So now I made my first batch of prill water according to the instructions given on various sites. PD, thanks for the referral to the article on file here, it had some more information which I found interesting. :-)

I have drunk about 1 Prill liter today and so far feel the water is working. I used my very high quality soft turkish bottled spring water for the base of the Prill water. The mouth feel of Prill water was drier than I expected. I am used to structured/clustered waters like Crystal Energy, Grander Water, EM Water, AquaLife jug etc. Water sciences have been an undying passion for some years now. I recently completed a comprehensive 4 month petrochemical/heavy metal cleanse using the ONLY authentic Ayhan Doyuk water formulas available from Arcadia Eden in Germany.

Right now I perceive the hydration scale of the claimed "thin" Prill water to be very very good and its energetic effect is so far very neutral. I would have been more careful with drinking a lot of Prill water right away if I hadnt done the cleanse I just mentioned above. My aim has always been to find the optimal living water which is NATURAL and do not cause imbalances when used daily. I have a lot of questions on Prill water which I will post in the following days. I also find the exchange of information here to be very good. A inital question: It is my impression from reading the review of the Shealy book that it has a lot of information but postings here indicate the central secrets behind making the products are not disclosed, correct? Btw, where does Dr. Shealy get his products from, is Jim Carter the supllier or are they in competition? Has anyone here ever visited the claimed Star Chamber or see detailed photographs of it? If the Prill products are a fountain of youth, why is Jim Carter's hair whitening and thinning and he uses strong glasses, he claims he used this for 30 years ? ;-) OK, I better stop for now. ;-) Thanks to all. Ole

Jim Carter says on his new website that "This liquid [Prill Water] doesn't support lower life forms such as germs, bacteria or fungi, thus it can be said to be antiseptic." I wonder if the Prill water has a negative effect on soil organisms in a closed enviroment like potted indoor plants? But then again others are reporting fine results with using Prill Water only. Now with what Jim Carter has written, I wonder what kind of effect Prill water has on the beneficial bacteria flora in our digestive system? Anyone here with severe digestive imbalances (candida, colitis etc) who have benefitted from the use of Prill Water to normalize digestion? Ole

Prill /smells & The Mystery of Carol's Prill Water Reply-To: preciousprillcircle@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why was Prill beads changed from large round size to small irregular size and when did the change occur? Has anyone so far experienced that the magnesium oxide beads (I guess they are not composed of anything else?) will not themselves slowly dissolve in water and eventually needs to be replaced because they are gone!? Anyone knows where Jim carter gets his magnesium oxide from? I noticed when I was cleaning my Prill bag before using it that I could go on rinsing it and when I put it in water and was shaking it it immediately began leaking fine material...I guess that 100 years of use may be too optimistic..? Ole --- In preciousprillcircle@y..., "kj lightsurfer" wrote: > In Message #699 Carol F. started relating her experiences with the > Precious Prills that I had sent her. She said her Prill Water did not > taste good and that it smelled. I found this rather peculiar. I've > been making Prill water since last April. I've used all 3 generations > of the Precious Prills beads: > > 1. Large round size Prill beads in the ball shape net bag > 2. Small irregular size Prill beads in the ball shape net bag > 3. Small irregular size Prill beads in the new fine gauge rectangular > shaped bag

Science of Water and Prill water

Dear ParamDevi and everyone here, Thanks for your answers. Some interesting things there I could use in my further research. Good point about Prill bead surface! You met Rochelle in person? Anyone here who went to the Star Chamber in Nevada? How many are there now, one in Australia and two in the US, counting Dr. Shealy? People reporting activation of candida from drinking Prill Water? Really? I will do a search here and see what I can find... Btw, in the How to make Prill Water.doc in the files section on this group, the following is reported: "The water forms single molecules of 2 hydrogen atoms that are very tightly and permanently bound together." Ahem..a molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms? What happened to the oxygen? No, water is H20, 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atom! The term thin water of single water molecules is confusing...water molecules are always in contact with each other and form unstructured or structured bonds of clusters.

That hydrogen bonds can expand (angle changes) is also known from different structured waters. I seem to remember that I read somewhere that Jim Carter says more or less as above, that the hydrogen bonds are tightly and permanently bound. But what does he exaclt mean by this : THAT THERE IS NO HYDROGEN BONDING BETWEEN WATER MOLECULES IN PRILL WATER??? With the revamp of the Twilight website this weekend (?) and the new jimcarter.com site, it seems Jim Carter is getting much more tight lipped about what the products do and dont...I wonder why?

What information is in the Shealy book about the exact water structure of Prill Water? Prillwater.com has a lot of details that looks authentic. "The viscosity is reduced by over 40%." Viscosity meaning surface tension? Primordial dew not existing anymore since 1977? Are there details about these aspects in the book? Anyone know the water molecule structure of dew and what is primordial dew? I am hoping that some alchemists here would point the way here with my above queries.. ...I just went through the transcript from Twilight Meeting with Jim Carter Tacoma, WA March 17, 2002 found at http://www.prillwater.com/questions.html and http://www.prillwater.com/march152002.html Very interesting..what needs to be determined is now what exactly is the cluster formation of Prill water or Dew/Primordial Dew. Doesnt anyone know?

Trying to get to the bottom of this water.. Thanks, Ole --- In preciousprillcircle@y..., "ParamDevi" wrote: > Dear Ole, > > your initial question: It is my impression from reading the review of the Shealy book that it has a lot of information but postings here > indicate the central secrets behind making the products are not disclosed, correct? > > Correct. The prills are said to be magnesium oxide. The magnesium products are said to contain magnesium chloride. Twilight products are said to be made or charged within the Star Chamber on Jim's property in Nevada, which is purported to energize the Twilight products in a particular way. > > you asked Btw, where does Dr. Shealy get his products from, is Jim Carter the supplier or are they in competition? > >

To the best of my limited knowledge, i would say that Shealy and Carter are not in competition. My understanding is that Shealy has the only other functioning Star Chamber at his Clinic in Missouri. Twilight carries Shealy's book, Holy Water - Sacred Oil and has announced they will carry Shealy's new book The Methuselah Potential for Health and Longevity. The magnesium content of the products described in Shealy's book has been dramatically increased according to Jim Carter.

 I suspect Jim still supplies Shealy. What i am reporting here is speculation. If there is anyone on our Circle who can answer factually, please do ... > > Has anyone here ever visited the claimed Star Chamber or see detailed photographs of it? If the Prill products are a fountain of youth, why is Jim Carter's hair whitening and thinning and he uses strong glasses, he claims he used this for 30 years ? ;-) > >

Many have had Star Chamber experiences. The most stunning of these is Rochelle whose story is told in Holy Water - Sacred Oil. In my memory of it Rochelle told me she has had over 700 Star Chamber experiences ... or 'dippings' ... and she certainly considers herself to be a walking miracle. Many others have had Star Chamber experiences. Again, if there is anyone on our Forum who can report from personal experience, please do so. > > Anyone here with severe digestive imbalances (candida, colitis etc) who have benefited from the use of Prill Water to normalize > digestion? > >

 Several people in the past months have reported what they speculated may be an activation of a candida situation because of using prill water.. But in this moment i don't remember anything conclusive. > > Why was Prill beads changed from large round size to small irregular size and when did the change occur? > > The smaller size makes more 'surface' available to the water ... i.e., more effective prilling.

This summer, maybe August is when the change occurred. > > Has anyone so far experienced that the magnesium oxide beads (I guess they are not composed of anything else?) will not themselves slowly dissolve in water and eventually needs to be replaced because they are gone!? Anyone knows where Jim carter gets his magnesium oxide from? > > Only time will tell about dissolution of prill beads, or not.

 I didn't realize it until Ian mentioned it that prill beads are or were available through AIM. And there are others who have been using prill beads for years. So they can report, while i cannot, as i've only used prill beads since last April or May.

I don't know where Jim gets his magnesium oxide. > > I noticed when I was cleaning my Prill bag before using it that I could go on rinsing it and when I put it in water and was shaking it > it immediately began leaking fine material...I guess that 100 years of use may be too optimistic..? > > Some people do not rinse their prill beads. I am making water in one gallon jar that has beads rinsed to the max. And in another jar i make water from beads not rinsed at all. The water was cloudy from the power at first ... and i used that for plants. Now the water is much more clear, although not as clear as the water made from the 'rinsed to the max' beads. > > Blessings, ParamDevi

Hi Vicky, Who is the Wizard? Jim Carter? I am wondering from what you wrote: Twilight America, isnt this Jim Carter's own company and he makes the products himself? So you buy products from the lady by the name of Rochelle? She gets her products also from Jim Carter, right? Where does this Ms. Rochelle sell her products online, does she have a website? It seems from the various postings that people who have obtained these products from various sources are all coming from the same source, Jim Carter's Star Chamber in Nevada, but people are reporting that they are finding that different batches of the products are more or less effective, right? I think I will try and contact Mr. Jim Carter now.. Bye for now, Mr. Ole PS. Vicky, please quote me correctly, I did not write "gray hair, thin hair and wrinkles" about Jim Carter's exteriors, I wrote "hair whitening and thinning and he uses strong glasses". I couldnt detect any wrinkles on his face from the only online picture of him. Does he have wrinkles?

Ok, now I get it..This Ms. Rochelle is selling handcrafted items from the Star Chamber (or that mountain that Jim Carter found) at hefty prices...but she is not selling the other products also? Is she the girlfriend of Mr. Carter? Does she have a website? Is she officially authorized anywhere by Jim Carter? Thanks, Ole

 Has anyone tried to make Prill water without exposing the Prill beads directly to the water itself? Just put a prill bag up against the glass container? I feel a very strong beneficial nergy coming from the prill beads when I hold them or put them on the body, feels incredible...does not feel like some kind of frequency, I would describe it as a more living soothing energy that feels very enlivening, like it has a consciousness of its own..hmmm..at one point I experienced it as being Love...but maybe I am stretching things here..but it is very different from the only non-frequency I have experienced so far and and that is my incredible Tachyon Energy tools from ATTI. That is an incredible energy that has helped me survive and that energy feels more neutral. There is something so very attractive to the energy coming from the Prill beads I have..hmmm... Now I have drunk about 3 liters of Prill water since yesterday and I feel GREAT! Feel very hydrated and I also perceive a shifting of energy on a more subtle levels..very very interesting...will update more on that later.. So anyway I am thinking that perhaps the prills doesnt even need to be in the water with the water? That the energy radiating from the prill beads are enough if they are placed in close proximity as the water ina glass/ceramic jug. Did anyone ever ask Jim Carter about this? Anyone here who maintain personal contact with Jim Carter? Thanks, Ole

Hi Vicky, Thanks for replying. ParamDevi has posted a lot of interesting questions, I also have some, but please bear with me as I am new with all of this. I will make it short and sweet..: In preciousprillcircle@y..., "Vickie Martin" wrote: > Twilight America,This appears to be the newest, new name given > to the once known as "Twilight" company. Since I became a founder > it has had at least five or six new names. It appears to be a > new name each time I get new information form them. It would lead > someone to think that it is a name change game to bury the > original company to avoid what? To do away with the once promise > of down line and founder checks. To my knowledge no one is > getting anything. Tell me, who started Twilight, wasnt it Jim Carter and isnt he behind the Twilight America, Canada and Australia websites as well as the jimcarter.org site? Who are the people working for Twilight? > > isnt this Jim Carter's own company and he makes the products > > himself > Do you really think so he's been gone for two months ? Gone where? Looking at the websites it seems like Jim Carter is 100% behind Twilight, unless there is some fraud going on with his name like what happened with Ayhan Doyuk and Perfect Science. So where is Carter now and how can he be reached? > I have a company and I make some of my products and some are made > for me and they are shipped to me and them I enhance them and this > may be what he does also. May be what whom does also? Jim Carter? What are you implying? You enhance what and why do you believe that Jim Carter is doing the same. Not very clear here Vicky.. > I started off making my own products but it didn't take me long > to realize that my husband and I could not make all of the > products in my line in our lab it was to small, so we have them made to our recipe spec. > > So you buy products from the lady by the name of Rochelle? > Yes, she is the one that makes the Laminar Crystal products that I > use. OK, so all your products are made from Laminar Crystal products from Rochelle. OK, so far so good. > She gets her products also from Jim Carter, right? > She got her crystal and the Twilight products from Carter but it > is what the energy of love makes all of the difference it is like > day light and dark the difference What are you trying to say here? > > It seems from the various postings that people who have > > obtained these products from various sources are all coming from > > the same source, Jim Carter's Star Chamber in Nevada, but people > > are reporting that they are finding that different batches of the > > products are more or less effective, right? > The products have all had an origination form Carter's in Nevada, > yes, That is my understanding but since Jim has been gone and new > people that do not have the right kind of consciousness are > handling them and when they are charged or the Alchemy work is > done on them the people are messing the products energy up because > they are not working in a Consciousness of Unconditional Love and > these Crystals and Products are very sensitive to a negative > energy and as I call it they go sour. So you are saying that Jim Carter used to make all the products himself and he now has delegated the work to others who work for him in Nevada and are making the products for him in the Star Chamber? If so, wouldnt Jim Carter select the right people to do the job so he could go off. (where and why?) On what basis do you say that these particular people are messing up the products, if its just a question of putting them in the Star Chamber? You say the Crystals and products are very sensitive to negative energy, do you mean during the manufacturing process? What about after they have been manufactured? ;-) > I think I will try and contact Mr. Jim Carter now.. Good > Luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, I usually have good luck or whatever with these things because I am not money motivated. Have you been trying to get in touch with Jim Carter often and failed? Is Jim Carter a very And finally, I am interested to know if anyone here have tested Dr. Shealy's Yinergy products against Twilight's from Jim Carter & Founding Associates ;-)and what have been their results? ParamDevi posted that Shealy purportedly has his own Star Chamber. Ole

"Vickie Martin" wrote: > Hi, > I just sent a letter to the circle answering all of the questions > I could to best of my ability and what my understanding is and if > you can't understand me then we have a communication problem. Hmmm...I read your letter to ParamDevi. Very interesting indeed. I guess we have a communication problem here if you cannot answer these straightforward questions straightforwardly...I am just one person trying to unravel the confusion but you are adding to it with not answering and giving answer which are not clearcut. I do not appreciate people who in so many ways with flowery language claim to be philantropic but clearly isnt. Bottomline is I believe you have a sales agenda with coming on here, otherwise you would be referring people directly to Rochelle's company and not your own. Nuff said! Ole

Well what do you know...guess I pushed some buttons for Vicky who had a lot of loose ends with her answers as I saw it and now she really got going! Yikes! From what I understand from Vicky's long post she charges her own products with Rochelle's laminar crystals and seemingly also something else going on with an adiitional proprietary positive process, well certainly is interesting...I will try charging my other prill bag with some tachyon energy later, these are absolutely not operator sensitive, nudge nudge wink wink... I guess I confused Vicky's own products (whatever they are) with Jim Carter's, sorry about that..! That Twilight products can be affected by the energy of persons handling them is Vicky's claim also. This is interesting. Anyone experienced that also? That would explain a lot with the different results people are getting, unless some products manufacturing are actually not done right, hard to tell at this point? According to Vicky, Rochelle has a special advantage, although we are not told anything specific about this and so we can keep guessing, or buy her expensive products and try for ourselves. Yes, foreign influences is certainly a problem with all kinds of subtle vibrational tools and alchemy products are also prone to be extremely operator sensitive. So I guess that would leave one with the conclusion that Jim Carter's products are operating in the slower than light speed of frequencies? At this point there are a lot of unknown facts about how the Jim carter products are really made and what the Star Chamber is all about. Or is that in the Shealy book? I certainly look forward to get that book in the mail one of these days.. I can assure Vicky that I have a lot of personal experience with the power of energy frequencies and Consciousness and Energy. I hope you got all of this Vicky.. :-) Take care, Ole

 Hmmm, I dont like what I am reading. Please could you give us more detailed info about your blood pressure before, during and after using Prill Water. Since you measured your blood pressure durng and after, I suppose you already have a problem with blood pressure? I would also like to hear from others here who have NOT experienced an increase. Any further angles on the reasons for this phenomenon?? Thanks, Ole --- In preciousprillcircle@y..., "C Creel" wrote: > Dear Kat, > > > You said: > > < drinking it about 1 month ago. > > Since that time his blood pressure has gone way up. No matter what we have > tried, it stays way up there. > > I have no way of knowing if the Prill water has anything to do with this, we > are just trying to eliminate possibilities. > > Anyone else noticed any changes in blood pressure?>> > > > Yes, mine raised in response to Prill. I stopped the Prill for 5 days > and my BP stabilized. I'd always had very stable normal BP prior > to this. > > Regards, > Catherine

Hi Liz, Thanks for your info. --- In preciousprillcircle@y..., Liz Cahill wrote: > I have been drinking only Prill water since July > 2002. My blood pressure was slightly low to normal > before I started drinking Prill water and is the same > now, about 3 1/2 months later. I have had it measured > a few times over the past month as I have been going > to a student massage clinic on a weekly basis and one > of the skills that the students have to practice is > checking their client's blood pressure.

 I have labile hypertension and have been taking a beta blocker and 8ace  inhibitor to help control it. They don't work very well. My pressure can  be very high today and normal (not often) to moderate tomorrow as well as  vascilate during the day. I have not noticed any change in this pattern  since I began drinking prill water in April. I've also taken a lot of  magnesium for many years which also has not changed the pattern. My dousing > continues to respond very positively to the prilled water. Hope this helps. > > Rosemarie

Re: This Website Discusses The Physics Of Love Reply-To: preciousprillcircle@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Was away for some days and did not follow the postings. Just catched this thread because of the title. I know the article very well for sevral years. Quite good article. Check out www.planet-tachyon.com and read the book on Tachyon Energy by David Wagner. Advanced Tachyon Technologies is the only genuine Tachyon Energy products available, Takionic etc are photonic frequency products. The real tachyon energy is a very different energy as I personally perceive it compared to the Prill bead energy I can also feel in my hands when I hold them. I have used ATTI tachyon products for 3 years with life changing results. Tachyon is stronger but more neutral as it is not a frequency. Prill bead energy is different, it may be a frequency or combination of frequencies..or something beyond frequencies related to faster than light energies, at this point I really dont know. That some people get high blood pressure and others do not from taking Prill water is an indication that it may well be a frequency according to the prevailing theory of tachyon energy at least pushing Subtle Organizing Energy Fields (SOEFs) out of balance. I drank Prill water for 3 days and was enjoying it the first few days but then stopped because I felt weird energetically and had some increased dryness in the mouth and although I felt rehydrated in some respects there was still something wrong which didnt feel natural so I listened to my gut instincts and stopped taking it. The Ayhan Doyuk cleaning formulas have been much better for me. To me Prill water feels energetically wrong. Others also tested it here and shared my opinions. Maybe my doubting thomas energy affected the water and so my water turned sour? Still seems like the water was as it should be, acting like dew water.. If the claim is really true about Prill beads creating morning dew water with no cluster structure whatsoever but only singular water molecules with no hydrogen bonding (Did Jim Carter ever prove this to any?) then I am speculating if Mother Nature intended for us to really drink such water in the first place since such water is mnost likely naturally reserved for the plants and land only.. ;-) As for Rochelle and her almost kaya kalpa rejuvenation I think she should just publish her before anmd after photos on a website and stand up for what she believes in... Love, Ole

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Hi Barry, I admire a lot of what you are doing and I am more and more interested in the field of ormus which I researched a few years ago but then lost track of it.. I was hoping you could tell me if the ConcenTrace(r) Trace Mineral Drops from Trace Minerals is a good widespectrum source of ormus? I had some farout results from using it. http://www.traceminerals.com/products/drops.html Thanks, Ole --- In preciousprillcircle@y..., B

arry Carter wrote: > Dear Zorba, > > At 09:23 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote: > >How do they relate to ormus? > > > >http://www.wateroz.com/ > >http://www.realityhealthresearch.com/ > > The first is most likely a good, intentional ORMUS source and the second is > most likely not but the coral calcium probably is a fair ORMUS source. > > -- > > With kindest regards, > > Barry Carter > > 2319 Balm > Baker City, Oregon 97814 > Phone: 541-523-3357 > Web Pages: > Forest - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/bmnfa/index.htm > ORMUS - http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm > > We must either let the Law of Love rule us through and through or not at > all. Love among ourselves based on hatred of others breaks down under the > slightest pressure. The fact is such love is never real love. It is an > armed peace. And so it will be in this great movement in the West against > war. War will only be stopped when the conscience of mankind has become > sufficiently elevated to recognize the undisputed supremacy of the Law of > Love in all the walks of life. Some say this will never come to pass. I > shall retain the faith till the end of my earthly existence that this shall > come to pass . . . > --Mahatma Gandhi

Hi there, I need the contact info for the company that manufactures the Clayton Tedeton Miracle II products. Can anyone help? I need the contact info for the company, not a distributor. Thanks, Ole

I did a search to find a series of postings I made last year here concerning my Prill water experiments. Now I cant find them. It seems they have been erased. Why? Thanks, Ole