Mike: This is a discussion of the Hudson Australian patent which appears to have errors in it to me and R has confirmed that and she has said that [the Essene] can give us details.

The Essene: Well, why don't go over the procedure for just doing it. What I did is took one ounce of gold, put it into 700 ml of aqua regia, made with three parts hydrochloric acid and one part nitric acid. I boiled it in an Erlenmeyer flask till all the gold was dissolved.

Barry: Did you cut the gold up or was it a coin?

The Essene: It was a coin. When it was all dissolved I turned down the heat to about 140 degrees and I added formic acid; approximately two ounces. I had 700 ml of aqua regia in it and an ounce of gold. Then it frothed just like a glass of Seven Up; you see the little bubbles in coming up all over in it but there were a million of them. When they quit, all the nitrates were gone and then I evaporated it down to 100 ml. I added hydrochloric acid back up to 700 ml and evaporated it down again to 100.

Mike: Concentrated hydrochloric acid?

The Essene: Concentrated. All of this is concentrated, no water added. Alright, after the third time down I filled it back up to 700 and capped it with a solid seal. I left it at 121 degrees Fahrenheit for 21 days and nights.

R: In the dark.

The Essene: In the dark. After that time I opened the container which had the gold solution in it and I added one and a half grams of table salt. And then I sealed it up and left it set for another 21 days in the dark. Now when you took and swirled it around, you could see snowflakes all through it. Then I took and opened it up and added another one and a half grams of salt. Now it all turned forest green---dark green.

Barry: Was it dark green solution, precipitate or what?

The Essene: It was dark green solution, dark green everything. But you could still swirl it and see the green snowflakes in it.

Here R brought out a mason jar with a very dark green--almost black--solution in it. It was so dark green that the only way you could tell that it was green was to slosh water up the sides and see the green it left there. The light from a flashlight would not pass through it.

The Essene: It's turned a lot darker since I did it; it didn't start out quite that dark green. It just turned a darker green.

R: It was an emerald green and it's gotten darker.

The Essene: After it turned green and seven days were up, I added one and a half more grams of salt. It turned brick red.

Barry: Now is that brick red the m-state? That's not the red lion is it?

The Essene: It is the red lion.

Barry: How do you get to the white?

The Essene: Well you precipitate it up the twenty one days and you add the first salt.

Barry: The first salt?

The Essene: The first addition of salt. After that it sets seven days. The first addition of salt it precipitates like when you use sodium in it. You can take and add lye to precipitate it instead of acid.

Barry: Now does this process work with each of the m-state elements or just with gold?

The Essene: All the m-state elements. There's a window. If you're coming down out of a lye solution the safe window is 8.5.

Barry: Going up, it's 10.78.

The Essene: Right. And the only time you have to worry about that is if you've got magnesium in it then 10.78 is where the window is.

Barry: If there's no magnesium--what is the magnesium--does it come out at 10.78?

The Essene: No it just triggers everything. A little magnesium . . .

R: It triggers the […] and the lead and the garbage.

Barry: Oh, it'll trigger everything else above . . . ?

The Essene: No, it keeps it out if you don't go over 10.78.

R: But it'll trigger it to fall down if you do.

The Essene: Right.

Barry: Ok now, when you put lye water in your solution, if you lye water is above a certain pH you'll create a local pH phenomena.

The Essene: That means you stir like hell and you use a very dilute lye solution.

Barry: How dilute a lye solution do you use.

The Essene: We never use more than four to one.

Barry: Four parts water to one part lye?

The Essene: Right.

Barry: That's a fairly concentrated lye solution.

The Essene: I know but we're working in a barrel, we've got a boat paddle and we're stirring like mad and she's up there with an eye dropper going zip. You've never seen her precipitate, it'd scare the hell out of you.

Barry: That's precipitating the m-3?

R: I do all of it that way. I get tired of waiting.

Barry: But you know there's nothing else in there?

R: I don't care if there is or there ain't; I ain't going to over shoot my pH.

Barry: But you create little local high pH areas?

R: Not if you stir it right.

Mike: If you stir it fast enough you won't.

R: Not if you get your vortex going.

Barry: I built a vortex stirring thing ...

R: I get a tornado vortex down the heart of it and go for broke.

Barry: Do you use an electrical stirring device?

R: No, I use that big spoon. [She pointed to a two foot long plastic spoon.]

Mike: When you get the pH down to 8.5 what do you do with it.

The Essene: When you get the pH down to 8.5 it'll stay there forever. All your rinses and everything will not change the pH.

Mike: Do you isolate the precipitate and wash it? Because I checked the m-3; the pH of the m-3 that you sent to me was 7.00.

The Essene: Shouldn't have been.

Mike: Should have been 8.5?

The Essene: 8.5 is where it always goes. We've got a $550 meter to tell us.