Clathrate Hypothesis

by Barry Carter

The clathrate hypothesis can be traced back to when David Hudson suggested it in his 1994-1995 lectures. In his Portland 1995 Workshop he said:

 

This little zero point frequency I showed you between the positron and the electron; if you follow that right up the electromagnetic spectrum, it agrees with the molecular frequency of hydrogen dioxide, or water. So there is an affinity for this material and water. That's why it is normally taken in water. When you come to understand that your body is, in fact, mainly water. That, literally, this material when you distill water it distills with the water as the oridide, the iridide, the ruthidide. Just like chlorine. And so if you distill water thinking you are getting high purity water, it goes with the water. And it literally changes the bond angles of the water. That one iridium atom controls 56 waters of hydration around itself. And all the bond angles of all 56 waters are altered when iridium is present. I haven't carefully studied the research work of people working with water but I strongly suspect that their water isn't completely pure and they are finding that the bond angles can be changed. There is something else besides H2O in the water."

 

and in his Dallas 1995 Workshop:

 

I know that iridium can control the vibrational frequency of 56 molecules of water. But I don't think it goes much further than that, and so I don't think that it is like mostly homeopathic preparations where you can dilute, dilute, dilute, dilute and get stronger and stronger and stronger. Ah, the interesting thing is though that when you distill water, you assume you have purified water, the oroides, the iridides, the rhodides act more like iodide than they do like metals and they actually will distill along with the water. And so what you think is high purity, what you're observing and studying as water may in fact not be pure water.

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Almost a decade ago, in October of 1999, I posted the following paragraph to the ORMUS SWG forum:

 

I imagine that these elements are like greased bowling balls that you want to move around. While you cannot pick them up directly you can roll them into a box and pick up the box. They seem to "like" tight spaces. Might certain biological systems use their properties by capturing them in ring or box molecules?

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In September of 2000 I sent the following post to the ORMUS SWG list:

 

David Hudson gives us a clue about how the ORMUS interactions are different from ordinary chemical reactions in the following passage from his 1995 Dallas presentation:

 

"So we finally order from Johnson Matthey, pure standard materials of rhodium and iridium, platinum, palladium, ruthenium and osmium and we learn how to make them disappear. We could take pure rhodium chloride and analyze it to be pure rhodium, and through a process of repeated evaporation with salt, we could make the rhodium disappear from the instrumental analyzes. It still is a blood red chloride, you still can perform all the chemistry, it still was in solution but it didn't analyze to contain any rhodium. And this was pure rhodium standard."

 

This "repeated evaporation with salt" is a common theme in alchemy. Many alchemical processes require that a set of steps be repeated hundreds of times in order to get certain results. I think that the reason for this is that valence bonds are solid and quick but other bonds are less sure.

 

Imagine, if you will, that you wish to collect all the male dogs in a community. You could hunt them all down and put each of them on a leash but it may be faster to use a little trick. Find a female dog in heat, put her on a leash and pull her through town. The male dogs will follow even though there is no valence leash holding them. It may take several trips through the town to get every dog's attention but each trip through town would collect a few more dogs.

 

Gary postulated that the ORMUS elements can have different levels of Cooper pairing. While fully Cooper paired ORMEs would not have any valence electrons available for chemical interaction, partially paired ORMEs would still have some electrons available. Gary proposed that these partial ORMEs could be used to bring the fully paired ORMEs along through certain chemical processes like in the analogy of the dogs.

 

The weakness of this interaction and the necessity for repeating it over and over would be congruent with the way that alchemists have traditionally done this work. It would also be congruent with similar reports by Hudson and other modern ORMUS researchers. Jim's ozone method requires repeated ozonation in conjunction with repeated pH swings over a period of a week or so.

 

It appears that there are several other ways to concentrate the ORMUS elements. Magnetic concentration would not depend on valence bonding. Another method might be to put them into a box and manipulate the box.

 

Imagine an undrilled bowling ball covered with grease. You want to pick it up but it keeps slipping out of your grasp. The best way to move it might be to roll it into a cardboard box and pick up the box.

 

I think that some of the chemical methods might use this technique. Gary suggested that O6 forms a ring around the ORMUS elements and pulls them from the metal matrix in this way. Jerel suggested that Cl6 might do the same thing. The sodium hydroxide in the Wet Method might also do something like this by forming a three or six atom sodium ring around the ORMUS diatom. Buckyballs and Fullerines might be good candidates for effective boxes to do this, as well. Here is an excerpt from a post on this subject from a colleague on another list:

 

Fullerene structure library:

http://sbchem.sunysb.edu/msl/fullerene.html>http://sbchem.sunysb.edu/msl/f ullerene.html

 

Geometry of Fullerenes: (good graphic)

http://members.tripod.com/~modularity/ful.htm>http://members.tripod.com/~m

odularity/ful.htm

 

Russian(?) websiste:

http://www.csa.ru/Fulleren/prog.html>http://www.csa.ru/Fulleren/prog.html

 

"What such are fullerenes. Fullerene is recently discovered natural form of carbon existing alongside already well-known graphite and diamond. Fullerene represent cluster hollow inside, closed surface of which is derived by regular atom polyhedrons. The special place among fullerenes is taken by a cluster of sixty carbon atoms - C60 reminding a microscopic football ball. It's diameter is 7 angstroms and it's surface is also derived from pentagons and hexagons.

 

"Fullerenes in the world science. The research of fullerenes, as independent scientific direction, has come rather fast and easily into the number of national scientific priorities of leading world countries. So, for example, this direction appears in the report of the USA president Bill Clinton and vice-president Albert Gor "Science in the National interests" (Executive Office of the President, Office of Science and Technology Policy, 1994). It can be explained by the fundamental significance of the science about the atomic clusters - natural objects taking the boundary position between solitary atoms and solids.

The special place of fullerenes and other carbon clusters is determined by the fact that carbon is a basic element of each alive substance structure. The last five years discovery of the surprising variety of carbon forms (fullerenes, huperfullerenes, nanotuben etc.) forces to look in a new fashion and sometimes even to reconsider presentations of fundamental processes happened by the active carbon participation in alive and lifeless nature. At the same time the experience of world science convincingly notifies, that the fundamental properties of a new class of objects usually open completely unexpected possibilities for their practical application. Such combination of fundamental interest and the creation perspective of basically new technologies has occurred the unremitting interest to researches in the sphere of fullerenes and atomic clusters."

Fullerenes & nanotubes:

http://www.ifw-dresden.de/iff/11/spec/areas/fullerenes/spec_full.html

http://www.ifw-dresden.de/iff/11/spec/areas/fullerenes/spec_full.html  

Of particular note is the nanotube structure which corresponds to the microtubules in cells.

 

In Tony Smith's article, which Neil posted a link to the other day, Tony wrote: "According to Keith Johnson, in physics/9807058, clusters of water molecules exist optimally in certain Magic Numbers and in configurations such as Buckyball pentagonal dodecahedral structures with a closed, ideally icosahedral symmetry formed by 20 hydrogen-bonded water molecules, with their oxygen atoms at the vertices of 12 concatenated pentagons and with 10 free exterior hydrogen atoms.

Coupling of these delocalized oxygen orbitals with the low-frequency cluster vibronic modes via the dynamical Jahn-Teller effect may make water buckyballs catalytic electron reservoirs and oxygenates in fuel combustion and active agents in biological systems. The broad electronic and unique low-frequency vibronic spectra of water buckyballs may explain certain diffuse interstellar bands (DIBs) and far-infrared, ultraviolet and x-ray cosmic background radiation.

 

When metals such as Palladium, that can absorb large volumes of Hydrogen, are placed in water, phenomena related to Cold Fusion can occur. Interesting phenomena, perhaps related to FAR FIELD Transverse Virtual Gravitons, may also occur when atoms, or Clusters of Atoms, of metals such as Palladium are in aqueous solution."

 

It looks like water may also provide an ideal "box" to contain the ORMUS elements without valence bonding. (Note that Tony provides several links to ORMUS web sites in the passage above.)

 

In June of 2001 I wrote the following speculative post to the WhiteGold list:

 

We really don't know a great deal about the chemistry and physics of the ORMUS elements. For example we don't really know whether they are monatomic or diatomic. Some chemists say they are monatomic but some physicists say they must be diatomic.

David Hudson and other researchers report that the m-state gold and iridium powder, when it is fully dry, does not dissolve in strong acid. This is a fact.

Any theory about these materials must take this fact into account. Science changes theories to fit the facts. Governments and similar structures change the facts to fit the theory.

 

Nutrients must be in solution if the body is going to use them. Liquids pass through the walls of the intestines but solids do not. The white powder is clearly a solid. If it does not dissolve in acid in the stomach it will not easily be absorbed by the small intestine.

There is a fundamental contradiction in the concept of m-state chemistry.

According to the most reasonable ORMUS theory, the electrons in the ORMUS diatoms are Cooper paired and no longer function as electrons. This means that they are not available for chemical bonding and would imply that one simply cannot do chemistry with these elements in the m-state.

 

But, Hudson and others are clearly doing chemistry involving these m-elements.

In order to reconcile this seeming contradiction the theory is being modified to presume that the ORMUS elements are not being manipulated directly but rather that they are being put in boxes which can be modified.

Imagine a grease covered bowling ball without any holes to hang onto it with. This would be a very difficult thing to pick up with one hand. But if you were to roll it into a box, you could then pick up the box with one hand.

I suspect that the full ORMUS elements are not directly visible as the white powder. Rather, I suspect that what is visible is the box that they are in. This would explain the precipitate forms and the oil forms which have been observed.

Research that a close colleague has conducted suggests that the ORMUS elements "like" tight spaces. I think that tight spaces are more "comfortable" to them than open spaces because there is some shielding effect from magnetic fields in tight spaces.

New discoveries about water suggest that water molecules have a dodecahedral or icosahedral shape. You can think of these shapes as being like the shape of geodesic domes. These ball shaped molecules would have a nice comfy inner space

for ORMUS diatoms to hang out. You can read a bit more about these discoveries regarding water at:

http://www.watercluster.com/

 

Water is present in the soil, in the air and even is quite abundant in interstellar space.

Of course, this does not explain how the m-state elements can appear as a room-temperature solid. We generally do not think of water ice as being stable at room-temperature however scientists have recently discovered that there are some water ice formations which are stable at room-temperature. I believe that this form of water ice is water which is structured by the presence of coherent ORMUS elements inside the water molecules. You can see a couple pictures of some of this room-temperature ice at:

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/hotice01.jpg

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/hotice02.jpg

 

I understand that these flakes analyze as water using spectroscopy.

I suspect that some m-state solids fall into the water-ice category. I also suspect that other m-state products, like the precipitate from the Wet Method, may be hanging out inside ball shaped water molecules which are chemically bonded to other elements. They might also be hanging out in ball shaped molecules which are not water. Some of these other ball shaped molecules are very stable and quite difficult to put back into solution if ever they are brought out of solution.

All of the above, except the observations, is theoretical speculation, which will be revised as new observations are made.

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In March of 2002 the first use of the word "clathrate" occurred in a post by Astrophan:

 

Hello group. I have been pondering the relationship of Ormus to water structure which--like so many other aspects of Ormus--seems to be a bit elusive. On the Ormus web site Gary says that ORMEs are somewhat hydrophilic.

It seems to me that whereas this is probably true for partial ORMEs (as Gary defines them), it's not likely to be true for the completely electron-paired ORMEs.

Wouldn't the "full" ORMEs in water act hydrophobic, like a clathrate-forming noble gas, and force the neighboring water molecules to link up into hydrogen-bonded pentagons?

The picture here would be similar to the formation of low-density vicinal water surrounding a hydrophobc surface, or better yet to Pauling's model of the xenon clathrate hydrate. (Think of xenon sitting inside a fullerene-like water cage.) Since Pauling's model was the basis for explaining neural anesthesia induced by xenon, it makes me wonder if some of the reported pain-relieving effects of Ormus are due to a similar mechanism.

If the "full" ORMEs are hydrophobic, they should also be able to slip easily across cell membranes and the blood-brain barrier in particular.

 

Although Gary said that ORMEs are somewhat hydrophilic,

Barry reports (on the "Observed Properties" page, see

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/Observed.htm) that magnetic

trap water appears to be hydrophobic. As Barry has

previously noted, the relationship between m- state and

Hudson's (or Gary's) ORMEs is not clear. The the properties

of trap water appear to differ from those of ORMEs in

solution.

 

Has anyone ever tried to determine something like a

partition coefficient for trap water? One of the problems in

determining an Ormus partition coefficent is that it's

necessary to detect and quantify the amount of Ormus in each

of the two phases into which it partitions. Ormus detection

in general sems to be a challenge from what I've read.

Nevertheless, it would be a fascinating experiment to

perform.

 

I'm also intrigued by the suggestions on the "Observed

Properties" page that m- state water is viscous, low

density, and seemingly fond of tight spaces. Barry

attributes the low density of m-state water to a magnetic

levitation effect in the presence of the Earth's magnetic

field, but to me it suggests instead the formation of low

density "vicinal" water surrounding a hydrophobic ORME.

Also, the properties of viscosity and fondness for tight

spaces bring to mind the polywater affair of 30 years ago in

which a new, more viscous phase of water was thought to have

been generated inside narrow-diameter capillary tubes.

Ultimately the discovery was discredited and "explained" in

terms of silicates leaching from the glass into the water,

but I think this phenomenon needs to be reexamined as

possibly arising from Ormus accumulation. (If this is the

case, it suggests yet another avenue for making Ormus,

although perhaps not a very efficient one since the yields

are likely to be small.)

 

--Astrophan

 

In October of 2002 I first posted the article on this

subject at:

 

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/box.htm

 

to the ORMUS SWG list.

 

In October of 2006 I posted the following to the ORMUS SWG

list:

 

This is a fine representation of a linear resonance pattern.

The pattern illustration I use in my lectures is the planar

pattern that I have uploaded to:

 

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/Resonance.wmv

 

Now imagine this resonance in three dimensions all around

the central ORMUS resonator. You might get a "spherical"

pattern that looks something like the icosahedral water

structure illustrated halfway down the page at:

 

http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/clusters.html

 

Note that the icosahedral molecule structure has a nice

quiet inner space in the center. Jim's trap designs

incorporated these quiet inner space features because he

noticed that the ORMUS gas he generated, when converting

metallic rhodium, iridium and gold into an ORMUS rich

liquid, would "find" tight places to "hide out" between the

layers in a roll of plastic film. Jim's microscope slide

"exposure meter" was based on this observation as well.

 

The ratio between the size of the whole gold atom and the

gold nucleus is about the same as the ratio between twice

the orbit of Pluto and the diameter of the sun. This size

difference would allow a lot of leeway for shrinkage if the

valence electrons that "reach out" for valence bonding with

other gold atoms are all brought in toward the nucleus.

Having all of the gold electrons paired up internally would

not just reduce the size of the gold unit but would also

move it into a much faster spin. This would be like an ice

dancer bringing her arms in after swinging them to initiate

a pirouette. The act of bringing her arms in, while spinning

slowly, speeds her spin into a blur.

 

The much smaller ORMUS gold unit would fit easily into the

center of the icosahedral water molecule and quantum

coherent spin speed modulation would generate spin field

energy density nodes around the ORMUS gold unit. The

hydrogen and oxygen atom components of the water molecule

would align with or "drop into" this standing wave field

around the ORMUS gold unit. This would effectively magnify

the spin resonance changes of the ORMUS gold and imprint

these changes on the much larger water molecule surrounding

the ORMUS gold unit. In effect, this would impart to the

water molecule some of the quantum coherent properties of

the ORMUS hanging out inside.

 

It is interesting to note, here, that triple distilled

water, which assays as pure H2O weighs significantly more

than water which has been made by burning hydrogen in

oxygen. The made up water is also quite toxic while the

triple distilled water is less so. This extra weight might

be the weight of the ORMUS hanging inside the water

molecules of the triple distilled water.

 

David Hudson postulated several differences between the

ORMUS elements and their metallic counterparts. I think we

should examine a few of these postulates in this context. He

postulated that they were in a superdeformed, high-spin

state and he postulated that all of their valence electrons

were internally "paired" and "orbitally rearranged".

 

In the scientific papers describing superdeformation, which

Hudson cites in his lectures, the authors explain that a

superdeformed nucleus is deformed by a rapid spin around its

short axis. This rapid spin and resulting centrifugal

deformation is generally triggered by the glancing "impact"

of another particle.

 

These superdeformed, high-spin nuclei are interesting to

physicists because they easily and spontaneously fission

into two separate nuclei of elements lower on the periodic

chart. To visualize this imagine a slightly elongated water

droplet on the center of a turntable. As you speed up the

spin of the turntable this water droplet elongates and

eventually splits into two separate smaller drops of water

which are flung apart and off the turntable. Thus these

superdeformed, high-spin nuclei are very unstable and

unlikely to endure for any length of time.

 

I think that Hudson is wrong in postulating that the ORMUS

elements fit into the category of superdeformed, high-spin

atoms. From their apparent relative abundance on the earth

it looks like they are more stable than their metallic

counterparts.

 

If Hudson is right in saying that his mine yielded 2400

ounces per ton of the platinum group elements in their ORMUS

form while the yield of the richest metal deposit of these

elements is one third of an ounce per ton then the ORMUS

form would be at least 7200 times more common than the

metallic form.

 

Multiply this apparent abundance from the first site

examined by Hudson by a factor which does not assume that

Hudson found the richest ORMUS deposit in the world on his

first try. Multiply it also by the abundance of ORMUS in the

atmosphere, in sea water and in fresh water and it is easy

to see that the ORMUS transition elements might be very much

more than 7200 times as abundant as their metallic

counterparts.

 

Even if we accept Daniel's contention that ORMUS is only

present in the places and forms specified by David Hudson,

we still have a material that is much more abundant that the

metallic form.

 

So, though they are not spinning around their short axis in

a "high-spin state" they might still be in a "high-spin

state" by spinning around their long axis; like the ice

dancer. But how does this ice dancer bring her arms in to

increase her rate of spin?

 

The conventional orbital theory of chemistry is that the

electron orbitals fill around the nucleus as the atomic

number of the atom increases. The electrons in the filled

orbitals, according to this model, are no longer available

for valence bonding. (This model continues to have practical

value in chemistry but is no longer considered to be

conceptually accurate by many physicists.)

 

In the electron orbital model, the filled orbitals always

consist of an even number of electrons. The orbital

populations for gold are 2 8 18 32 18 1. Notice that the

filled orbitals all have an even number of electrons and the

outermost orbital has one electron which is available for

valence bonding.

 

Hudson claims that the available valence electron in the

outermost orbital somehow pairs up with an electron in one

of the inner circles and becomes "orbitally rearranged".

This hypothesis does not explain why one of these exclusive

inner circle clubs will suddenly change its rules to allow

an unaccompanied fellow to join and pair up with someone

else's partner.

 

At:

 

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/paranorm.htm

 

Gary postulated that it would be be possible for all the

electrons in a gold to pair up if two gold atoms with 79

electrons each joined forces to become a new element with

158 electrons.

 

At:

 

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/paranorm.htm#diatomic

 

Gary suggested that this would work because:

 

"For diatoms, the number of valences will obviously always

be even, i.e. divisible by 2, and so Cooper pairing is freed

from the objection that atoms with uneven numbers of

electrons could not be completely Cooper paired. The valence

funnels "rotate" (as a consequence of the motion of the

particles forming them) in alternating senses, as viewed in

a sequence going around the atom (e.g. a gold dumbbell - See

below). It should be clear that two adjacent funnels, one

rotating clockwise, and one counter-clockwise, will coincide

in rotation if the funnels are distorted into a loop so that

the mouths join. They then form a continuous rotating

tubular vortex. This is the physical action corresponding to

two electron spins joining and canceling to form a Cooper

pair. A similar effect occurs in metal lattices at cryogenic

temperatures, except that funnels join between neighboring

atoms, rather than on the same atom for an ORME."

 

(I realize that Gary's and David Hudson's use of the term

"Cooper pair" for electrons inside an atom was not

specifically sanctioned in the BCS theory about Cooper

pairing between atoms in a type one or type two

superconductor.)

 

As the valence funnel arms are brought in to join, in Gary's

model, the ORMUS unit would spin faster like the ice dancer

when she brings her arms in. In fact, the description of the

gold atom from Occult Chemistry indicates that there are

twelve valence funnel arms at the top of the atom and twelve

more valence funnel arms on the bottom. These arrays of

valence funnel arms look a bit like a ceiling fan on each

end of a fat cigar. See the drawing at:

 

http://www.OrmusMinerals.com/dumbbell.gif

 

A gold atom could also have all of its electrons paired if

it fused with a hydrogen atom and gained an extra proton and

electron. That this might be what is happening with ORMUS

gold is supported by Hudson's claim that you can drop ORMUS

mercury to gold metal by heating it the air. Here is a

passage about this from Hudson's first Dallas lecture:

 

"It's interesting to note that the philosophical text . . .

over in the Ayurvedic text, I was sent a copy by the

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who knows of this work, and he had it

translated into English and sent it over to me. These are

about 2,000 B.C. that this information comes from

supposedly, and it says you can take mercury and divide

mercury, and divide mercury and divide mercury, until you

divide it into it's essence and you actually get a white

powder of mercury. And the way you test that mercury to see

if it's ready for ingestion, is you heat it in air and if it

turns to gold, then it's ready for ingestion. And they knew

this 2000 B.C. Did you know that superdeformed mercury, when

all of its electrons are paired in the high-spin state, if

you heat it in air in 78% Nitrogen, in air, that when you

get up to around red heat, that the outside electron pair

will annihilate with itself. It actually will withdraw it's

screening potential enough that outer pair annihilates, and

that electron pair doesn't produce 510,000 electron-volt

photons like electron annihilation normally does, it

produces a 1 million electron-volt photon that is always

absorbed by the binding nucleus.

 

So here your mercury atom now has a 1 million volt photon

that comes flying into the nucleus, in the binding nucleus

of the mercury, and that's the energy it takes in a high-

spin state to knock off a proton and several neutrons.

Coincidentally. Now you have a low spin gold, and it goes

right immediately to low spin gold. Now low spin gold, if

there's other gold atoms near it will aggregate as a

metallic material, and once you got diatomic gold, you got

it, you're on your way home now, you got metal. So you could

actually take mercury to the high-spin state and the way you

check it is heat it in air, and if it goes to gold then

don't heat the rest of it, consume it, it's a medicine. And

that's something that miners and metallurgists have a real

hard time with, they say, "Why don't they want the beautiful

yellow valuable metal?" Because the white powder is more

valuable, that's why."

 

In the statement above Hudson is postulating low energy

nuclear fission. I don't think it is unreasonable to

postulate that there might be a complementary low energy way

to fuse gold and hydrogen into a single unit of ORMUS

mercury.

 

Notice, as well, that Hudson states that the low spin state

is not metal but can easily become metal if there are other

low spin state atoms nearby to form metal bonds with.

 

Gary's theory allows us to speculate that the spin of the

gold diatom might speed up or slow down in increments

depending on how many of the valence funnels are coupled

together at their wide ends. This would be analogous to an

ice dancer with twelve arms incrementally increasing her

rate of spin by bringing opposite arms overhead two by two.

 

These incremental spin speed changes, if they occurred

inside an icosahedral water molecule, might change the

resonance nodes of the icosahedral structure to a

dodecahedral structure or a more compact icosahedral

structure. This would be analogous to the way the Cymatics

video, I linked above, showed that an incremental change in

sound frequency changed the basic structure of the resonance

pattern of the sand.

 

Since these ORMUS units are isolated from other ORMUS units

by the water cage surrounding and protecting them, they

would still not be available for valence bonding with each

other when paired valence funnels came apart.

 

One thing particularly charming about superconductors is

that they can store a great deal of energy and this energy

storage is undiminished by time. Though superconductors can

store a great deal of energy, there is a limit. This limit

is called Hc2. At the Hc2 limit the Cooper pairs of the

superconductor can no longer handle the energy and they

break apart dropping the superconductor into a non

superconductive state.

 

In my single unit ORMUS superconductor model, the paired

valence funnels allow the spinning ORMUS unit to spin faster

as they pair up. But the ORMUS unit can be spun faster and

faster only up to a certain point. At this point centrifugal

forces pull the paired valence funnel arms apart and the

ORMUS unit drops into a low spin state. This would

correspond to the Hc2 phenomena in conventional type one and

two superconductors.

 

In several of his lectures Hudson said that exposure to

ionizing radiation, like UV and higher, would drop the ORMUS

elements into the low spin state. In the passage above he

said that heat alone would drop ORMUS mercury into the low

spin state as gold. He said that if other low spin gold was

available then valence bonds would be formed between the

atoms and they would become gold metal.

 

In his Tampa lecture David Hudson said:

 

"I've found that there are four substances that pin these

high spin atoms and take them back to the low spin state.

Those substances are sulfites (SO3), carbon and carbon

monoxide, nitric oxide, and short wavelength radiation (deep

ultraviolet or shorter).  That's what caused this stuff to

explode in sunlight, I found out later.   So there are four

major things which cause this to go back to the low spin

state.  So, actually, in your body there are four things

which cause this to go back to the low spin state.  So that

in your body it kills the light.  It causes them to go back

to the low spin state.

 

I will say that when nitric oxide interreacts with these

elements, taking them back to the low spin state, that it

does involve a phenomenon called electron annihilation.  And

the actual nitric oxides instead of being nitrogen 14

becomes radioactive carbon 14 when that occurs.  So that in

your body, when dying you are producing radioactive carbon

14.  It gets in your body a different way than they tell you

it does."

 

Hudson's observations fit well into my theoretical spin

model of the behavior of the ORMUS elements. The short

wavelength radiation revs up the spin of the ORMUS unit till

centrifugal forces break the paired valence bonds. These

newly available valence electrons might then form valence

bonds if sulfites, carbon monoxide and nitric oxide are

readily available. These elements apparently serve to hold

the ORMUS unit in a low spin state but the unit must still

form metal- metal bonds by getting into close enough

proximity to other low spin ORMUS units.

 

Jim made some very powerful ORMUS products from various

metals using ozone. His process included exposing the green

acid ORMUS solution to microwaves in a microwave oven

between exposures to ozone. Though he knew that the

microwave could drop the ORMUS back to metal, he also

believed that the microwaves, in smaller doses, could rev

the ORMUS up into a higher energy state.

 

I suspect that the pulsed magnetic field of the magnetic

blender and of the magnetic traps might also be capable of

revving the ORMUS up into a higher spin state and, if

overdone, causing it to drop to a low spin state.

Fortunately it appears that there might be molecular "boxes"

that ORMUS "likes" to "hide out" in and that these molecular

"boxes" provide some degree of protection to the ORMUS from

outside forces. Salt water seems to be particularly helpful

in this regard.

 

These "boxes" also seem to allow us to get a handle on the

ORMUS. I imagine that ORMUS alone is as difficult to pick up

as a greased bowling ball without any finger holes. The only

way to pick this bowling ball up is to roll it into a box

and pick up the box. I suspect that much of what we are

seeing when working with ORMUS is not the ORMUS itself but,

rather, the box it is in.

 

Mike Halat first used the term "clathrate" in an ORMUS

related post to one of the forums I manage on Fri, 28 Mar

2008 in a post to the ORMUS SWG. In this post he suggests

that the ORME elements might form the clathrate itself or

the clathrate host:

 

From: "Mike Halat" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:31:36 -0700

Subject: Re: [ORMUS_SWG] chemical analysis. Taking

exception,,,

 

Gases are subject to Boyle's law which states that PV=nRT

where P is pressure, V is volume, T is temperature. Thus,

the volume occupied by a gas increases as the temperature

increases. The volume occupied by an ORME does appear to

change with a change in temp. Gas deposits (such as natural

gas) are found underground and not in surface mineral

deposits. ORMEs are found in surface mineral deposits. There

is no reason to believe that ORME is an inert gas.

 

A clathrate can be viewed as a "chemical box". Some of the

pioneering work on clathrates was done by Limus Pauling in

the early 1950s. Pauling demonstrated that the molecular

formula of chlorine hydrate is 6Cl2*46H2O comprised of

dodecahedra and tetrakaidecahedra. The clathrate chlorine

hydrate exists at a temp < 4 degrees C. Many isostructural

clathrate compounds have been discovered since then. Common

to all of them is a simple cubic lattice whose

crystallographic cell is made out of 46 tetrahedral linked

atomic units. These framework species form cagelike voids of

high symmetry in which another type of atomic species is

encapsulated. These clathrates feature two types of cages -

a 20 atom cage (dodecahedron) and a 24 atom cage

(tetrakaidecahedron). Thus, there are two small and 6 large

cages in the unit cell. Chemists have synthesized covalent

clathrate frameworks out of sp3 hybridized group IV elements

with encapsulated alkali metal atoms such as Na8Si46; Si is

considered the host atom and Na is considered the guest

atom. Further work has yielded superconducting galium-

germanium clathrates such as Ba8Ga16Ge30 (Tc=7.5 K). A

guest-free Ge136 clathrate was recently synthesized which

exhibits a low-density, open-caged structure with potential

use as a semiconductor. It was made at a temp of 300 degrees

C whereas Ba8Ga16Ge30  was made by heating a stoichiometric

mixture of the elements at 4.4 degrees C/min to 1080 degrees

C, held there for one hour, then cooled at 0.8 degrees C/min

to 875 degrees C. Then cooled at 2.3 degrees C/min to room

temp.

 

ORMEs may very well be clathrates with the Au or Ir or Rh

(etc) as the host atom.

 

Mike Halat

 

----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Carter

To: Sent:

Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [ORMUS_SWG]

chemical analysis. Taking exception,,, Dear Friends, Arthur

suggested that the chemical box that ORMEs might hide out in

is something called a clathrate. Here is a part of the

Wikipedia definition: A clathrate or clathrate compound or

cage compound is a chemical substance consisting of a

lattice of one type of molecule trapping and containing a

second type of molecule. The word clathrate is derived from

the Latin clatratus meaning with bars or a lattice.

 

[1] An example of a clathrate is clathrate hydrate, a

special type of gas hydrate in which a lattice of water

molecules encloses molecules of a trapped gas. Scientists

believe that compounds on the sea bed have trapped large

amounts of methane in similar configurations. Researchers

have begun to investigate silicon and germanium clathrates

for possible semiconducting and superconducting properties.

You can read the rest of the definition at:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrates At 10:09 AM

3/22/2008, you wrote: Dear Mike, I agree, the NuTech powder

is probably not pure ORMEs. In fact, I suspect that the

white powder that David Hudson made from gold and the other

transition metals is not pure ORMEs.

 

My hypothesis is that any visible ORME is visible because it

is inside a chemical box that makes it visible. David

Hudson, in a couple of lectures, also speculated along these

lines. He suggested that true ORMEs are an inert gas. He

claimed that they go with water when it evaporates and

condenses. I would propose that everything we see and have

called ORME is just the chemical structure that the real

ORME elements are hiding out in.

 

I would also propose that different chemical boxes will have

different properties and behaviors that will combine aspects

of the ORME element hanging out inside the box with aspects

of the behavior of the box itself. Thus, according to this

hypothesis, ORMEs made or concentrated by one certain

alchemical method would have some different properties and

behaviors from ORMEs made by another method like the method

described in Hudson's patent.

 

Are you aware of any scientific evidence that might

discredit this hypothesis? At 09:28 AM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

The NuTech white powder was not made by fusion. It was made

by precipitation from an acidic solution. The NuTech white

powder exhibits a crystalline structure under a microscope.

ORMEs are not crystalline. The NuTech white powder is not

pure ORMEs. Mike Halat

 

Mike Halat also posted a brief complaint about David Hudson

being "prone to stating pure speculation as fact" and my use

of the Hudson quotes in a response to the ORMUS SWG a few

days later:

 

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:04:50 -0700 Subject: Re:

[ORMUS_SWG] chemical analysis. Taking exception,,,

 

I think that David Hudson was prone to stating pure

speculation as fact. There is no experimental data to

support his claim that, "one iridium atom controls 56 waters

of hydration around itself". There is no experimental data

to support a claim that an auridide, iridide, or ruthidide

are stable or can even form in an aqueous environment.

 

Water clathrates can hold various gas atoms but only at

temperatures below the freezing point of water. Water

clathrates are prepared in the laboratory by super cooling

gaseous water to a crystalline solid without going through

the liquid phase. The quote from the Chaplin website

references an article from the Int J Mass Spec. On page 272

of this article it states, "The temperature of the ion

source had to be lower than 130 K for water clusters, and

alkali metal ion clathrates could only be observed below 170

K". Water clathrates are not even stable at room temp.

 

Mike Halat ________________________

 

I'm sure we discussed it with him more on my forum than you

did on any of yours and he never offered any factual

evidence to support it. I have textbooks here giving

literally thousands of organometallic compounds which

contains a single orme element atom in the middle which is

held in place by covalent coordinate bonds. Those are real

evidence for how ormes are likely to be found in nature.

NONE of those are clathrates. Mike couldn't find any

examples of orme clathrates either.

 

This does not mean that they are not clathrates, clathrate

hosts or clathrate guests. It just means that these are

hypothesis that have not been fully examined scientifically.

I think that one of the most significant questions we might

have to deal with is how we can avoid the perpetuation of

David Hudson's tendency to state "pure speculation as fact"

and to avoid doing this ourselves.